Starbuck was a part of the plan as laid out by the Gods from the time she was a child. It'll be interesting to see which themes this new series will address, but before it premieres, let's revisit the BSG timeline, and see where the latest Battlestar Galactica might fit in. that was my suggestion …, now in my opinion in general idiots run things and keep a few smart All trials were building up to a finale where Catharsis – not punishment – would finally come. I am very into physics, and my concept of God or some type of higher being is much more scientific based. I love that there are angels on the show, like Starbuck… My take on Gaius and Caprica 6 is that the angels are them, in the future. The hit sci-fi series Battlestar Galactica ended in 2009 with a divisive 3-part finale. Otherwise, I found the cyclical theme of man’s self-destruction intriguing – but would also have preferred the “alternate universe” explanation for new-Old Earth that had been suggested on this blog, especially since they were right at the rim of a black hole. I didn’t expect my comments to be this long but I do tend to waffle a bit, haha. But Galen a) was blatantly ambivalent about Cally and b) had gone through too much to react like that to a knowledge of the crime and b) was NOT that sort of character. Kinda depressing that they didn’t! I can experience so much more. That is what made the ending of BSG so frustrating. If you stuck a polyester suit in an undisturbed cave for a million years, I’m pretty sure it’d still be there. It just strikes me as…odd. They didn’t travel halfway across the galaxy, they traveled much further than that – at one point I remember a character say they went something like 14 million light years… our galaxy is something like 100,000 in diameter. I’m not sure if you’re still checking in on this, but I thought I’d add my thoughts. Thus, the one true God used man’s “creation” to wipe man out as a lesson, leaving only a remnant to survive. The Cylons may be remorseless killing machines, but I think it’s a pretty safe bet to assume that if they haven’t found the humans after, say, 25,000 years of searching, that they would justifiably conclude that the humans had all perished in the Galactica‘s final jump. - Where the Hell was the Adama/Tigh goodbye??!! The centurions can manufacture more centurions, but the remaining humanoid cyclons are it – there won’t be more of them, and the implication is that the centurions are going to go after them the way they did with humans on Caprica, Earth, and Kobol. How the machines observe our world is explained to us thru the conversations of the Visions. Baltar’s speech in the CIC here is key, because it frames the final movements of the theological vision nicely. Either there’s other bad Cylons out there, which poses the problems I’d already discussed, or it just so happens that all the bad Cylons were in one place and, through nigh-pure luck, our heroes just so happened to destroy all of them, which is really really convenient. Re: technology – they had a fairly industrialized society on New Caprica, and presumably there was little reason they couldn’t have done the same sort of setup on Earth. In fact… it was made clear that they do. Boom. As for Starbuck, she dies and is resurrected. Great achivement if you consider that Cylons were completely Synthetic beings. My ribs hold me together, As to the unanimity of the fleet, it strains credulity that in a group of 38,000 people, there is no visible resistance to the idea of embarking on the pastoral life. If indeed, or, never mind). I’m watching it now for the 5th time I believe. A little off topic,but what do you think of the show,caprica? Truly awesome. When we’ve seen evidence even in the show that soldiers have their limits with certain orders? Do we know that black holes really exist? BUT MAYBE WHEN DANIEL DIED IT WAS PART OF GODS PLAN HE MADE DANIEL A ANGEL. This explains why the constellations are the same between the two “earths” and why evil cylons will never find them. It was like the end of inception, I liked that they left you wondering. While our main protagonists try to boost the natives’ skills, it is a futile endeavour as it is apparent that humanities ancestors turn out to be the Golgafrinchans and the natives die out. That was my positive comment for today! Who could give birth, who couldn’t, and why? Strange feeling. God. (giggle) Let’s have THIS happen and see if the viewers can follow this crap?” I go with a reality disconnect for SciFi but dayum…this was not even in the area of a bad dream. However, to fit the timeline, this had to be done. For me, what sealed it was her re-appearance in the pristine Viper. So, since god said it was gonna happen, it happened. HMMM . He seems to be on both sides, and the goal seems to be to bring the two sides together to live in peace.). Plausible, but weird, which is still perfectly acceptable, but the frustrating thing is that it seems like the show’s creators didn’t know what Head Six was anymore than the audience did until pretty close to the end. But Galen was one of my favorite characters. Sci-fi fandom itself was a weird and abhorrent experience to me. That’s some foresight AND patience now, isn’t it? Since I started watching the series I believed that because of all the strong and mysterious plotlines we’ve seen, we were heading for an unconventional, big bang finale! Until such time….. Ah, now that I re-read your post rather than get stuck in the comments, I see that we are not far apart. I came across this from one of the Battlestar books about BSG Technology (I think) !! But the end, with all the stupid shows of the ASIMO robot and what not was too much. for They were mad at the execs, and took it out on us, the viewers. As an aside, you might enjoy a review I wrote of West Wing’s Fifth Season. I’ve heard too many people actually say this before. KARA PAINTED THAT SYMBOL(RED YELLOW BLUE CIRCLE THING) SAID IT WAS SOMETHING THAT SHE DOODLED EVER SINCE SHE WAS A KID. Think beyond the final episode: in ten or twelve more years she’d be old enough to unabashedly give birth, and I think we can count on Helo and Athena from keeping unwanted neanderthal suitors away. Unlike our beloved Galactica….Gods. - Roslyn dying – it was fine, but it was already implied she wouldn’t make it much longer, but at least she got to arrive at earth and spend her last days with Adama, so her death was unnecessary You want to kill Starbuck off finally this time? Was anyone else really surprised by Jamie Bamber’s real accent in the DVD extras? You would be an excellent teacher… or battlestar commander. I know she hadn’t died at this point, and wouldn’t until the scene on the raptor, but this really cut me up. It strikes me as a Catch 22. Like Blade Runner (name stolen from a completely different story and idea) which gave THIS story its term “skin jobs”, this BSG 2.0 most importantly deals with the ideas of what you might call rights of the sentient. Only one: I just marathoned this series in the past two months and was also disappointed with series finale. Then came the last episodes… I was not prepared. It should also be mentioned that the population of the fleet was ready to settle on a barely inhabitable rock like New Caprica before. In a flash, two trained soldiers slaughter 12 unarmed people sitting at a table? If nothing else, as far as discovery, wouldn’t the synthetic materials – such as clothes – be around? Or maybe the Angels were the same Angels that destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah? I suppose there’s a fine line between subtlety and ambiguity. All in all, this show has more than decent sci-fi value to it so it is worth a watch. But I’m trapped in this absurd body! Even if people smuggled a gun here, or a some fertiliser there… it would only last a generation or two before breaking or running out. Remember that the only models that developed individual qualities became allies of the humans, whereas the Cavils and their allies insisted on their Cylon collectivist identity. And why wouldn’t they fornicate? I was first thinking that Kara was an undisclosed Human-Cylon hybrid whose musician father was the mysterious other of the Final (really first for these skin jobs) Five, who found herself resurrected after the blowup in front of Lee, was then sent in a Cylon-made Viper to Earth and crashed there and died a SECOND time. When she was destroyed, she was recreated by the higher intelligence. The revenge gene runs deep in us so I could understand them being driven to destroy their benefactors. Looks like it will attract x and y and you say you’ve got a few years worth of content? But Baltar lies and says she passes the test. In exchange for helping the Cylons fix one of their ships, rebooting D'Anna, and finding the Final Five, the humans can destroy the Resurrection Hub, the ship controlling all Cylon resurrections, thus making them mortal. Consumerism, mass use of technology. Overall, the end was better than I thought it would be, but I do agree with your points here, namely, what was Kara? I liked the concept how the director tied the idea of early humans, pre humans if you call them with Aliens (the colonist). So in the end all religion could be based on an Alien society that crashed on earth hundreds of thousands of years ago and we remember them as the religions that we have today. Battlestar Galactica is een sciencefictionfranchise bestaande uit meerdere televisieseries en films. The overall ending to this epic tale was great, but the individual character story arcs didn’t end in a satisfying way and they could have done a much better job explaining why humans would have given up their technology. After the mutiny, the system had become even more authoritarian, as the fleet’s captains replaced the elected delegates of the Quorum. I just rewatched the episode and they destroyed all the technology in the middle of the episode so it seems as if he has the only remaining technology based in the order i’m watching the episode. In my view, Kara Thrace was one of the most kick-ass, emotionally-charged and complex characters in this story or in most sci-fi stories period. I certainly agree that trying to connect the world of BSG as a precursor to our own is one of the biggest problems with the finale. Why is that even interesting? Do you see the absurdity of what I am? In order to prevent the entropy from seeping into the agents, we have been employing various strategies in the creation of our cylons, such as randomly removing snippets of code when it copies itself onto a new layer and then comparing itself not from the direct copy but from earlier layers and then repairing itself. Kara wasn’t Daniel, if that’s what you’re talking about. Similarly, I believe the creators have admitted that the constellation thing was just a mistake. would you wish to make some invite posts on my blog? Let’s give up on all the medical and technological breakthroughs on an unknown planet with a gizilion of viruses and possible threads. Yes, Kara’s asking “What am I?” Now look at what happens during the “long finale”: Lee reassures her that for him she’s Kara Thrace (“Islanded in a Sream of Stars”), and Bill says that, no matter what, she’s his daughter. Giving up *all* science and technology would’ve been extremely stupid, which isn’t something that can be said of the writers. What is the one point your not cozy with? Apollo must be exhausted from adding and removing flair from his lapel. etc. -I think Bill not just crashing into the (prehistoric) lake was a mistake in writing. Ex: cheating spouses, not honoring your mother and father, killing each other in mutiny, betrayal from your closest alys, all acts of lucifer…not god. IN THE FORM OF KARA TRACE…AND HERES A TWIST REMEMBER THERE WERE NO HUMAN REMAINS ON THE FIRST EARTH JUST HUMAN CYLONS AND METAL ONES. It also still doesn’t give us much info on Kara or why she had visions or could disappear or how all the history of BSG is totally unknown at the present time. Because it didn’t make too much sense to YOU either, RDM. But of course, the quorum is dead, the president is checking out, the admiral is exhausted… intrigue requires energy. I think probably the biggest thing about giving up technology that no ones thought of is, not if they would want to (they wouldn’t, lets be honest) but if it would even be possible. For starters, I would have revealed, as I think was implied, that BSG is set in Earth’s distant future rather than its distant past. It’s possible that after the fall of Kobol, a group of humans went to Earth instead of the 12 colonies or Final Five Earth, and that this group has had thousands of years to devolve. Having watched the extended version on Blu Ray just 2 days ago, I was overwhelmed with emotion. Or how the Final Five may actually work. I still believe that Starbuck was an archangel. NOW I KNOW WHAT YOUR THINKING. Completely agree with every area you raised. All of these things are universal archetypes, but not literally the same thing. Making television is hard and making great television is even harder. No way could a body shield the blast wave and radiological fallout…. As for the Angel-Human love thing, it’s not that there’s anything inherently objectionable about it. I saw other parallels from the bible … the flood wiping out evil to make way for a more righteous, god-loving population, Galen as Job, the name Adam(a) and Hera(Eve) … must be more. And before you know it, we’ve bred local cats practically identical to Caprica cats. Did they give up all their weapons? What if the story kind of worked out that way? I’m guessing that as the colony was destroyed (although we didn’t really see this) that a large faction of the bad cylons went with it. You know, like JMS said at the beginning of Babylon 5. Baltar becomes the center of a monotheistic religion and recruits followers. Only Galactica and the raptors/vipers are at the Cylon ship. President Roslin is not a good person. day,our relationship was now Earth and Caprica are one in the same. 4. There was a movie that came out in 1980 called, “The Gods must be crazy.” about a primitive African tribe that discovers modern man. The Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy has an answer to this in their story – Earth 1 is destroyed as part of an urban planning scheme (an interstellar highway is to be built through the system). Apparently vanishing into thin air one of the main characters without any explanations, stands out as an amazing solution to all problems. It looks, feels and handles somewhat realistic for most of the time, but the “pantheon in heaven” watches over it day and night and plausibility may leave the room the second the script writer sees fit. In the ensuing chaos, Starbuck's viper emits a signal, finally leading them to Earth. ], colonial military tradition [the hand salute, ranks], etc. Any canon was ruined by adding Mk III vipers to the Galactica. At the end of the day I think that what I hated most about the ending is that there was no Catharsis, no relief. I think there’s something admirable in what they did, and it’s definitely no less ridiculous to just say, “Oh, Kara is from an alternate universe” than it is to say “Kara was a working agent of God.” Both require a leap of faith. Pat is the adjective that comes to mind. Seriously? As I mentioned in the article, it’s hard to maintain realism in a show about spacemen fleeing killer robots, but by keeping humanity’s technological advances to a minimum, the show’s creators kept it more grounded and more accessible.